Wherein I Ramble About My Dual (Catholic/Lutheran) Church Attendance

I determined today that I would upload the pictures from my digital camera onto the computer so I could finally share with you some recent “scenes” from my life—things like the azaleas in bloom, the new red leaves on my poinsettia plant, the pretty blanket I stitched for a friend, and a couple of people pics from Charlie’s birthday and the boys’ trip to the Mag Lab.

Wouldn’t you know? WordPress isn’t dealing too well with photos at the moment, and I’m going to have to wait. Oh well.

In the meantime, I shall ramble.

I confess I’ve felt like a wretched wife and mother these past several days. My house is too messy for my comfort, yet I feel sort of “frozen” when it comes to taking action and getting things whipped into shape.

I think I’m just in a slump. I have a tendency to get melancholy at times, and I was sort of hit with an attack of it on Monday. I felt it sneaking up on me right as I was sitting in my apologetics class at the Catholic church. I’d been doing well—feeling perky (though I really do not like that word!), chatted with a couple of the other ladies before class began, enjoyed the lecture—and then, with about 10 minutes left in the class, all of the sudden, I felt it—that sinking feeling. Sinking, sinking, sinking, and plop! Here I am, in the doldrums.

Upon reflection, I think I know why this may have happened.

Sunday was a difficult day at church. As most of you who read these letters with any regularity know, I attend church twice each weekend—once at the Lutheran church with my family, and once at the Catholic church on my own (and sometimes with my oldest son). Usually, this arrangement is fine with me; I’m sure the extra worship and hearing of God’s word is good for my soul (I need all the help I can get). Occasionally, though, I get grumpy about it—and never more so than when discussion in Lutheran Sunday school class turns uncomfortably anti-Catholic.

Let me backtrack a bit.

Before Christmas, I was in a Sunday school class in which we were reading and discussing a book called The Christ-Centered Life, put out as part of a series of books by a press at a Lutheran seminary. The book was rather simple and had some fine ideas in it, though the author did occasionally make a point of quoting Luther and setting him up as a paragon of Christian wisdom and virtue. Overall, though, it was the kind of book any Christian could learn from, and I enjoyed the class discussions as much as anyone else.

This semester, however, with the completion of that book, the teacher chose another book from the same series for the class to read and discuss. I gave it a thorough skimming and quickly realized I would be hard-pressed to sit in class and not speak up about some of the unfair comments made in the book about Catholic monks and nuns. (According to the author, Martin Luther thought monasteries were a waste of time because the folks within them were only concerned with their own salvation. Though that may indeed have been true for some of the religious during Luther’s time, the author said nothing to alert the reader to the state of things in today’s monasteries. Not to mention the fact that such a thing is odd to hear from someone [Luther] who wanted far more focus placed on personal salvation and much less on Church as the Body of Christ. But I digress.)

I didn’t know what to do: continue attending that class and sit quietly while people made negative comments about the Church I love? Continue attending that class and speak up, thereby causing all kinds of friction? Give up that class and attend the class my husband was attending (which had been discussing various Christian faith traditions, including Catholicism, which I’m sure was painted in a highly unfavorable light, as it generally is in Lutheran churches)? Skip Sunday school altogether and just sit in the car and read for that hour?

I was in a quandry. Though I thought it might be nice to sit as a quiet witness while the people in my class discussed Martin Luther’s “innovative” ideas about vocation, I realized I would only be doing it as a matter of pride. It would be wrong of me to not defend the Church, as well as wrong of me to sit there feeling self-righteous while saying nothing. But to speak up would have been impossible as well. Forgive me if I’m misusing it, but the word “scandal” comes to mind. I very much like the people in that class; I wouldn’t have wanted to upset any of them. With all the same things in mind, I didn’t see how I could attend my husband’s class, either.

And so I asked my very wise friend Amanda for advice. The situation was very clear to her; within seconds of asking, I had my answer. Her counsel (in a nutshell): Attend class with Brian; sit at his side. There, I would be under his protection, as he is the head of our household. There, I would be affirming him in his own faith. Remain silent. If something is mentioned in class that I disagree with, bring it up with Brian afterwards, so we can discuss it just the two of us.

This advice set me free. And for the first two Sundays I followed it, it was a piece of cake.

And then came this past Sunday. (And I can see this epistle is already terribly long; I thank you for hanging in with me, if you’ve read this far; and if you continue to the end, I’m sure you must deserve some sort of medal!)

This past Sunday, at the beginning of class, the teacher (I’ll call him Mr. D) informed us that one of ladies in class had something she wanted to share with us. She then informed us (in her cute, but extreme, Chicagoan accent) that she has been taking a correspondence course through one of the Lutheran seminaries and has been studying the Lutheran Book of Concord, which is a bunch of “official” writings by Luther and some of his Reformation cohorts, setting down their agreed-upon beliefs. She wanted to share with us (the reason why is beyond me) a couple of the paragraphs from that book.

The first thing she read was Martin Luther’s expression of disgust over the lack of knowledge held by the priests and other religious he met on his trip to Rome. He said they barely knew the Bible, didn’t have memorized the most basic prayers. These are failings, indeed, but hardly worthy, I think, of his remarking that they “live like pigs” rolling in their own filth. His assessment was truly nasty and certainly not compassionate in the least. One of the folks in the Sunday school class sarcastically commented afterwards, “It’s a good thing he didn’t believe in name-calling.” Ha.
Of course you might imagine that I was not sitting there calmly resting in the “protection” of my husband’s presence. And yet, I was extremely grateful that he was beside me and that I had Amanda’s wise words to buoy my spirits during these moments that felt rather like persecution. I felt sick to my stomach, I was shaking inside, and though I was not actually sweating bullets, I felt like I was.

As she read (and there was much more to it than just the “pigs” bit), I knew that all I could do—all I needed to do—was pray. And yet, I couldn’t think.

Some people mock the liturgical churches for their use of formulaic/repetitive prayers, but all I can say is that in a time when one is being sorely tested (and my situation was NOTHING AT ALL compared to what so many people endure and have endured for their faith), such prayers are a complete blessing. I closed my eyes, folded my hands, and prayed “Hail, Mary” in my head, as loud as I could. I prayed the Lord’s Prayer. I prayed what bits and pieces I know of the Divine Mercy:

For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.

Finally, after what seemed like a very long time, it was over, and Mr. D moved on to a discussion of Islam—how accurate and fair such discussion was, for his part, I can’t say. Considering he included an inaccurate anecdote about how one of the pope’s was chosen (yes, in a discussion about Islam!), I’m not sure his other information was all too reliable, either.

And so now we arrive at Monday morning, when I was sitting in my apologetics class and sinking into a blue funk. In retrospect, I think what got me was the safety of it. There, I was surrounded by women who believe as I believe. There, we had a marvelous guest speaker who told us of the beauty of the Church’s Marian doctrines—as opposed to a “guest” commentary about how rotten the clergy were in the Middle Ages.

The gloomy feeling that settled over me surely had to do with my longing for unity in my own family—a religious unity that may never happen, given my husband’s staunch, modern Lutheran points of view.

I’ve added to my own misery by setting aside Shadowheart, which I was having trouble getting into, in order to read H.W. Crocker III’s book Triumph: The Power and the Glory of the Catholic Church. This book is hugely enlightening; I’m learning heaps about history (and not just the Church’s history, either). It makes me want to read more about the past, to broaden the scope of what I’m learning in the book.

The ironic thing is that I originally bought this book years ago (before I’d decided I wanted to become Catholic), for Brian, for his birthday. He enjoys history but never read it. I won’t bother telling him he ought to read it when I’m done, because that would probably make him even less likely to read it than he already is. (I expect he thinks he already knows the history of the Catholic Church.) In the same way, I did not take that part of Amanda’s advice—I have not talked to him about what was said in Sunday school. I’m pretty sure he knows just what I thought of it, and there is not much in this world that I dislike more than arguing with my husband; so, for now, I’m keeping my thoughts to myself.

For any non-Catholics reading this, friends and strangers alike, please know that I mean no disrespect to you or your faith. Save for my infant baptism in a Catholic church, I was a Protestant my whole life, until quite recently, and I never perceived there to be much of anything special or beautiful about Catholicism. I was never anti-Catholic in any way, though I did suspect some of their doctrines were wrong. It was only when I became, solely for the sake of my husband and child (at the time we had just one), a Lutheran that I began to sincerely ask questions and my heart began to open to the possibility of embracing the Catholic faith.

Now that I have, I am home. :)

14 Responses to this post.

  1. Your postings are so inspiring! You are my role model of peacemaking–how dare I act coldly to my husband for not taking out the garbage when you are out there modeling Christlike patience and tolerance in order to keep the peace and remain by the side of your husband? And so I keep reading while you keep blogging! :)

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  2. Posted by mmdezzy on March 10, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    I came across your beautifully written piece in my google search for “lutheran-catholic marriage” or something like that. You see, my boyfriend of seven years is Lutheran and I’m Catholic. Faith is very important to each of us and prior to getting engaged (which is what we both want), he thought it would be important to speak to a pastor and a priest to ensure that we are on the “same page.” We have had disagreements over doctrine and such over the years. So I took this very seriously and spent hours and hours researching doctrine and reading the Bible with an open heart and mind. Somewhat to my surprise, what I discovered actually opened my eyes to many of the wonderful truths about the Catholic Church that I never knew. My internet searches also led me to the writings of Richard John Neauhaus and many other Protestant converts to Catholicism. I’ve shared many of my findings with my boyfriend and even some to his pastor. But, at this time, at least, he is not swayed by my discoveries (not that I was trying to sway him, necessarily). I love him, he loves me, and most importantly we both love Christ. We want to get married and share our lives together. I was wondering what your thoughts are regarding this since you seem to have insight from personal experience in this area. Thanks!

    (Also, I can empathize with your frustration…I too have felt some anti-catholic sentiment and been uncomfortable and angered. But before I never had the knowledge to defend it. Now I feel a bit like an apologetic. : )

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  3. ladonna, I only WISH I had Christ-like patience! Sometimes I positively seethe resentment towards my husband, I confess; though I am trying, with God’s help, to avoid that. Thank you for your comment, though. It is true that I am trying to be a peace-maker in this. No one said it would be easy! I’m glad my blog inspires you; yours inspires me as well! :)

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  4. mmdezzy,
    Thank you so much for visiting my blog and for leaving your comments. You asked for my thoughts on your situation……Hmmmmm!

    My immediate (and unrealistic!) reaction is to say, “Oh, don’t get married! It’ll be too hard!” But actually, I do believe that since you are already Catholic, and since you and your boyfriend actually TALK about your faith and differences and similarities of belief, you will very likely have an easier time of it than my husband and I have had.

    The main things you and he should do, prior to getting married, are to decide exactly how you are going to “deal” with your differing faith traditions.

    For instance, will you both attend two churches every weekend? Will you go your separate ways on Sunday mornings? Or will one or the other of you concede to do two while the other only does one? What about at Christmas and Easter? Will he respect your need to attend Mass on Holy Days of Obligation, and to follow the Lenten practices (e.g., no meat on Fridays?).

    What about kids? Will he be open and understanding about the Catholic teaching against the use of artificial contraception? (NFP is GREAT; my husband has no problem with it at all.) If/when you do have babies, where will they be baptized? (Being baptized Catholic makes a person Catholic for life, unless they submit an official letter rejecting the Catholic church.)

    You might also want to set up some guidelines about how you will discuss religion with each other. Believe it or not, such discussions are much harder (because so much more is at stake) AFTER you get married than it is before. And it’s easier to set up a “No Nasty Comments” rule from the outset than to have to deal with hurt feelings later.

    I’m sure you plan to do this already, but make positive sure you fill out all the necessary paperwork so that your marriage will be valid in the eyes of the Catholic church. If you’re not going to have a Catholic wedding, get that dispensation! If you don’t, what a headache it will be later, and it will keep you from receiving the sacraments until it’s straightened out.

    It sounds like you are really doing your research, and that is wonderful and will be a huge help to you and your boyfriend. If you can actually know and understand what the two faith traditions teach and believe, it will make your conversations much easier.

    Most of all, keep learning about your Catholic faith. You’ve already found out so much—good for you! There are so many wonderful books and websites dedicated to helping Catholics understand and grow in their faith. The more you read, the better you’ll be able to stand firm in your faith and be able to explain things to your soon-to-be-fiance. If you can get him to watch EWTN with you, that might help a lot—especially if you watch “The Journey Home,” which is on Monday nights at 8 p.m. est. Might he be willing to attend some classes with you at your parish—apologetics or even RCIA? (Even if he did RCIA, he wouldn’t be obligated to convert at the end of it.)

    Oh! But MOST most of all, PRAY! Pray, pray, pray! One thing I regret is that I never asked God for his opinion on whom I should marry. I don’t regret that I am my husband’s wife, and I know the Lord wants us to have a vibrant and beautiful marriage; however, I have wondered what He might have had in mind for me had I asked Him instead of plunging forth with my own plans.

    This is terribly long. Please let me know (drop another comment) if you’d like to talk about this more. I would be happy to e-mail with you about it. As for this blog, I’m certainly not done with this topic, so feel free to check back.

    God bless you as you seek His will for your life!

    ~ Kimberly

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  5. Whew — I don’t know how you do it to be able to sit there and quietly listen to it all. Kudos to you for “standing” (or sitting — LOL) by your husband, but I still don’t think I could sit there for it. I don’t think I would have made a scene by any means, but I am quite certain I would have gotten up and walked out.

    Good luck as you continue to deal with this!

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  6. Oh, Angie…..I did come VERY close to walking out. But I was sitting so far from the door! Afterwards, thinking about it all, I could only hope that the frantic prayers I’d sent up during those however-many-minutes of awfulness would somehow bear some little bit of fruit, in whatever way God could use them.

    To you I say, have you any idea (I suppose you do!) how very blessed you are to have entered into the Catholic church WITH your husband and children? Though that was not to be the way for us here, I still hope and pray that my husband will, one day, come ’round to seeing the truth and beauty of the Church.

    Thanks for dropping by!

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  7. I think that it is exactly because I know how lucky I was to have us all enter the Church at the same time that I feel extra bad for you. :(

    But, it was only later that I found out that while Eric did say that he was interested and “all in” for it when we started RCIA, he was actually only doing it because I was doing it, even though I had asked him specifically not to do that. He told me that he just couldn’t imagine our family not all being members of the same church, and so he had decided he would go along with it and not let me know that he was very uncertain about it.

    Thankfully, he did actually come around to it in his own mind, and then was/is excited about it. He loves being Catholic now, but I know (only now) how hard it was for him at first. I wish he hadn’t felt that I just pulled him along for the ride (it didn’t actually take him too long to come around to wanting to do it for himself), because that wasn’t what I wanted, but I’m glad that he did it anyway. ;)

    If it gives you any hope, I have heard of SO many couples where one person converted, only for the other to convert a few years later. Maybe that will be your story to be able to share someday.

    (((HUGS)))

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  8. Thanks for sharing that, Angie. I wonder if perhaps, deep down, your Eric had a feeling that his heart and mind would catch up with each other if he just waited it out, rather than resisting or letting you know he had some misgivings. Praise God, however it happened, it all worked out for the best. :)

    It DOES give me hope to know that you’ve heard of so many couples who don’t convert at the same time but do eventually both convert. My husband did attend RCIA with me for the initial “inquiry” phase—not with a mind to convert, but just to see what they would say; I think he wanted to be able to know what I was learning so he could persuade me against it. I also have a feeling he thought (or rather hoped) that my experience in RCIA would, all by itself, even without his input, serve to convince me not to be Catholic. Obviously, that didn’t work.

    Well, maybe someday he’ll come around. (I THINK God has spoken and told me he would—but you know how sometimes we’re not sure if it’s our own voice/wishes or His.) Anyway…….

    Some time you should post on your blog the story of your own conversion—all the important details of what drew you to the Church.

    Thanks again for your encouraging comments. God bless you!

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  9. Posted by mrehoward on March 17, 2008 at 10:44 am

    Thank you for the thoughtful writings… this is my first time visiting and I plan to return. I’m still processing what I’ve read but want to reread when I’m not on lunch at work. :)

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  10. mrehoward,

    Thank you for stopping by my blog. I’m glad you enjoyed my (sometimes fretful!) post. When you’ve had more time to process, do feel free to make any further comments. I love good feedback; it helps me to know I’m not losing my marbles! :) (And even if you decide you think I AM losing my marbles, I’d be happy to discuss that, too!)

    ~ Kimberly

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  11. Posted by mmdezzy on April 22, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    Kimberly,

    Thank you so very much for your helpful response to my complicated question. I am very sorry for my delayed reply and expression of gratitude for you taking the time to provide me with some much needed advice. We are still in the process of sorting this out. We met at length with his pastor and I am going to schedule a meeting with a priest soon. I really like your idea about setting some guidelines for our faith discussions to prevent them from becoming argumentative. I definitely do need to pray more about this, as you have reminded me. It is just so nice to receive guidance from someone who truly understands what this is like (most of my friends have difficulty understanding the situation, let alone giving me adivce.) THANK YOU SO MUCH. God bless you.

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  12. Hi mmdezzy,
    You are most welcome, and never mind the delayed reply. I’m happy to hear from you. I’m glad you are still working things through, and I pray everything works out for you and your boyfriend. Wouldn’t it be nice if we all had as much time as we needed/wanted to pray for the many important things going on in our lives and in our world? I struggle with that a lot.

    God bless you, too, and please feel free to keep in touch and let me know how you’re doing with all this.

    ~ Kimberly

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  13. Posted by Joe on May 14, 2008 at 9:33 am

    I stumbled on your blog, and wanted to pass along my appreciation – and support! My sister is about to enter the challenging realm of an interfaith marraige – two Scottish families, one Catholic for centuries (ours) and one Protestant for centuries (his). Lots of latent resentment that’s been passed down for many generations…I’m going to send her your url for inspiration.

    I’m reminded of a recent talk I heard about the role of the Holy Spirit – described as being left here by Jesus to, among other things, help us ‘hear & understand’ the messages of Christ that we weren’t “ready” for when Christ was among us. The speaker cited slavery as an example – for centuries, good christians defended this horrific practice since Christ didn’t specifically forbid it – but eventually Christians recognized that it was completely inconsistent with the message of Christ and had to be abolished….through the working of the Holy Spirit in the hearts and minds of christians.

    I also can’t believe that Christ would want Christians to be so divided from each other, focusing on our minor differences & historical hurts rather than on what unites us – belief in Christ. Your daily life bridging this Christian divide is the Holy Spirit in action – I pray you’ll feel his presence and support every time you show love & understanding to those still trying to divide us…Love, and the action of the Holy Spirit in our lives, will eventually bring us to together…

    Good luck…Joe

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  14. Hi Joe!
    My dad’s name is Joe, too. :) Thanks so much for visiting my blog and for leaving your comments. What you said is so, so true. The Holy Spirit at work is an amazing thing. I agree with you about Christian unity. Just yesterday, I was watching an episode of “The Journey Home” on EWTN, and Marcus Grodi was interviewing a former Anglican priest (who is now a Catholic priest). His turning point was when the Church of England voted to allow women to be ordained. He felt that this was such a clear rejection of the apostolic tradition and that it purposely moved towards DIS-unity among Christians that there was no way he could remain in that church. It struck me how important that is: that our #1 GOAL as Christians should be to seek unity. This was Christ’s most fervent prayer, after all, that “they may all be One, as the Father and I are One.”

    Aren’t we all just doing a terrible job of that? With over 20,000 different denominations, with even people within the same denomination failing to find unity (e.g., the various branches of Lutheranism), how are we ever going to all be One? Have you ever looked at the Christianity forums on Amazon and seen how Christians from different traditions attack each other? It’s vicious and sickening. What I always think of is this: Christians, as a group, are supposed to be the Body of Christ; yet what are we all doing but ripping him limb from limb? For me, the only way to stop contributing to that was to become Catholic. I’m still not even remotely perfect, of course, but if there’s true unity to be found anywhere, it’s going to have to be based in Catholicism, where we have the seat of Peter.

    And now I will step down from my soap box to say thanks again for writing, and I pray God will bless your sister and her new husband. May they find more in common than they ever could have imagined!

    ~ Kimberly

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