Comments on: A Knock at the Door http://echowood.wordpress.com/2008/05/28/a-knock-at-the-door/ Here's what I'm up to today. . . Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:25:11 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: middleman777 http://echowood.wordpress.com/2008/05/28/a-knock-at-the-door/#comment-665 middleman777 Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:41:31 +0000 http://echowood.wordpress.com/?p=240#comment-665 Thank-you for your response. I hope some of my JW research can help you down the road. Blessings….. MM777 http://middleman777.wordpress.com/ Thank-you for your response. I hope some of my JW research can help you down the road.

Blessings…..
MM777
http://middleman777.wordpress.com/

]]> By: middleman777 http://echowood.wordpress.com/2008/05/28/a-knock-at-the-door/#comment-663 middleman777 Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:46:02 +0000 http://echowood.wordpress.com/?p=240#comment-663 Hello, I hope I can offer some assistance/advice to you with talking to JW’s. There’s many ways to witness to a witness. There’s no particular formula however. There’s certain doctrinal topics that the typical Christian wants to argue with the average JW about. Doctrines such as Hellfire,Trinity, Immortal soul, etc are well studied by JW’s, many times more than your average born again Christian. The WBTS has been smart on making “answer books” that help them to determine what to say. Some of these are “Insight on the Scriptures”, “Reasoning from the Scriptures”, “What Does The Bible Really Teach”, and the “Aid to Bible Understanding”, etc etc. Much of the time, unless they have some sort of doubt about the Governing Body or the society itself, your well planned Bible “stumper questions” will be easily avoided and dismissed due to circular reasoning. If they can be shown how Bethel has lied to them on various doctrines (from their own publications), then they’re forced to reason on their own without the help of an “answer book”. They don’t have a ready made answer to why they were associated with the UN for 10 years (a big no no), and other political entities such as ANCA, OSCE, CESNUR and why they have had stocks with companies that make weapons for the US government (RandCam), and why they have had dealings in the occult (with Johannes Greber, the Masons, a demon possessed editor-for one of their older publication series), and why they invented and sold/peddled a occultic device (similar to a Ouija Board) up until the 50’s, and why they misquote their own publications with newer ones etc. I humbly submit my blog to you as a reference on what I just posted. Here’s the link below… http://middleman777.wordpress.com/ There should be well enough information to give you a good head start. I’m adding to it all the time. Blessings……… Hello, I hope I can offer some assistance/advice to you with talking to JW’s.

There’s many ways to witness to a witness. There’s no particular formula however.

There’s certain doctrinal topics that the typical Christian wants to argue with the average JW about. Doctrines such as Hellfire,Trinity, Immortal soul, etc are well studied by JW’s, many times more than your average born again Christian. The WBTS has been smart on making “answer books” that help them to determine what to say. Some of these are “Insight on the Scriptures”, “Reasoning from the Scriptures”, “What Does The Bible Really Teach”, and the “Aid to Bible Understanding”, etc etc.

Much of the time, unless they have some sort of doubt about the Governing Body or the society itself, your well planned Bible “stumper questions” will be easily avoided and dismissed due to circular reasoning.

If they can be shown how Bethel has lied to them on various doctrines (from their own publications), then they’re forced to reason on their own without the help of an “answer book”.

They don’t have a ready made answer to why they were associated with the UN for 10 years (a big no no), and other political entities such as ANCA, OSCE, CESNUR and why they
have had stocks with companies that make weapons for the US government (RandCam), and why they have had dealings in the occult (with Johannes Greber, the Masons, a demon possessed editor-for one of their older publication series), and why they invented and sold/peddled a occultic device (similar to a Ouija Board) up until the 50’s, and why they misquote their own publications with newer ones etc.

I humbly submit my blog to you as a reference on what I just posted. Here’s the link below…

http://middleman777.wordpress.com/

There should be well enough information to give you a good head start. I’m adding to it all the time.

Blessings………

]]> By: Kimberly at Echowood http://echowood.wordpress.com/2008/05/28/a-knock-at-the-door/#comment-435 Kimberly at Echowood Fri, 30 May 2008 13:57:53 +0000 http://echowood.wordpress.com/?p=240#comment-435 Hi Alan, Thanks so much for reading and taking the time to comment on this post. It's hard not to view a visit from a Jehovah's Witness as an attempt to "convert" because of the way they continue to point out verses in the Bible and offer reading materials even after learning that the person they are speaking to is a Bible reader and Christian already. It's as if to say, "Yes, well, that's nice, but your brand of Christianity isn't good enough. Here's the TRUTH!" And I can understand that, actually, because it's how I feel, too, as a Catholic, when I speak to non-Catholics: "I'm very glad for you that you attend church and love the Lord and read your Bible; but your church doesn't have the fullness of the TRUTH!" This is why so many people think they dislike Christians---because we think we have the "only way to God." We don't go for the "many paths to God" idea. Unfortunately, we Christians are so incredibly lacking in unity. We are the Body of Christ, but we sure don't act like it. All our disputes and disagreements---we're His Body, and we're ripping Him limb from limb. It's terrible. Remember how the Lord prayed that all would be One, as He and the Father are One? Part of the reason I became Catholic is that it is the Universal church, it's not sectarian, it's for everybody---Christ came to die for all, not just for a select few. Catholics are united under one authority, and the teachings of the Church are long-standing, not shifting with the times and whims of whoever's in charge (or casting votes) at the moment. And best of all, these teachings are so complex and beautiful; one never tires of meditating on them in light of the Scriptures. Oh, Alan, how I understand your desire to share your faith! When one feels one has discovered the truth and is truly at a place of complete and utter peace with that, it is so hard not to want to tell the whole world! As you wish me well, I wish you well, also. May the Lord continue to speak to your heart, to pour out His grace upon you, and bring you closer to Him. Peace, Kimberly Hi Alan,
Thanks so much for reading and taking the time to comment on this post. It’s hard not to view a visit from a Jehovah’s Witness as an attempt to “convert” because of the way they continue to point out verses in the Bible and offer reading materials even after learning that the person they are speaking to is a Bible reader and Christian already. It’s as if to say, “Yes, well, that’s nice, but your brand of Christianity isn’t good enough. Here’s the TRUTH!” And I can understand that, actually, because it’s how I feel, too, as a Catholic, when I speak to non-Catholics: “I’m very glad for you that you attend church and love the Lord and read your Bible; but your church doesn’t have the fullness of the TRUTH!”

This is why so many people think they dislike Christians—because we think we have the “only way to God.” We don’t go for the “many paths to God” idea. Unfortunately, we Christians are so incredibly lacking in unity. We are the Body of Christ, but we sure don’t act like it. All our disputes and disagreements—we’re His Body, and we’re ripping Him limb from limb. It’s terrible.

Remember how the Lord prayed that all would be One, as He and the Father are One? Part of the reason I became Catholic is that it is the Universal church, it’s not sectarian, it’s for everybody—Christ came to die for all, not just for a select few. Catholics are united under one authority, and the teachings of the Church are long-standing, not shifting with the times and whims of whoever’s in charge (or casting votes) at the moment. And best of all, these teachings are so complex and beautiful; one never tires of meditating on them in light of the Scriptures.

Oh, Alan, how I understand your desire to share your faith! When one feels one has discovered the truth and is truly at a place of complete and utter peace with that, it is so hard not to want to tell the whole world!

As you wish me well, I wish you well, also. May the Lord continue to speak to your heart, to pour out His grace upon you, and bring you closer to Him.

Peace,
Kimberly

]]> By: Alan http://echowood.wordpress.com/2008/05/28/a-knock-at-the-door/#comment-434 Alan Thu, 29 May 2008 22:54:55 +0000 http://echowood.wordpress.com/?p=240#comment-434 As one of Jehovah's Christian Witnesses myself, I certainly want to thank you for your candid account. I would only ask that (that is, if you didn't already know about this), when we visit with folks like you, we are not there to convert you. It is our thinking that we do not convert anyone, for because conversion means to change ones thinking, etc., it is our conviction that this is something which you can only do. No, but our intention is to only encourage ones to think about and reason on the Scriptures. Obviously, because we believe we have (only by God's "grace") the answers to most of life's questions, this compels us to make the effort to share this knowledge/understanding with others. If, after your consideration, you do come to the conclusion that such still does not address your issues (including how God thinks about your friend or just why it is that God is waiting so long to bring about His promised Kingdom government, etc.), then fine, that's ok with us - it all still remains your choice. Otherwise, we also believe that we are fulfilling Bible prophecy (Matt. 24:14), in obedience to Jehovah's Son, Jesus, the Christ, that is, in bringing to you the Good News of the Kingdom. Wishing you well, Agape, Alan. john1one@earthlink.net http://www.goodcompanionbooks.com As one of Jehovah’s Christian Witnesses myself, I certainly want to thank you for your candid account. I would only ask that (that is, if you didn’t already know about this), when we visit with folks like you, we are not there to convert you. It is our thinking that we do not convert anyone, for because conversion means to change ones thinking, etc., it is our conviction that this is something which you can only do. No, but our intention is to only encourage ones to think about and reason on the Scriptures. Obviously, because we believe we have (only by God’s “grace”) the answers to most of life’s questions, this compels us to make the effort to share this knowledge/understanding with others. If, after your consideration, you do come to the conclusion that such still does not address your issues (including how God thinks about your friend or just why it is that God is waiting so long to bring about His promised Kingdom government, etc.), then fine, that’s ok with us – it all still remains your choice. Otherwise, we also believe that we are fulfilling Bible prophecy (Matt. 24:14), in obedience to Jehovah’s Son, Jesus, the Christ, that is, in bringing to you the Good News of the Kingdom.

Wishing you well,
Agape, Alan.
john1one@earthlink.net
http://www.goodcompanionbooks.com

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