I had no idea that my husband had any interest in the musings of my blog until last night. After getting a mild version of the cold shoulder from him for a week, I finally asked him what was going on.
Well, he’d read this post, and it had made him really angry. He very much took exception to my assumption that he was not interested in growing his faith or in being the spiritual head of our household.
He said, “I think you don’t know anything about my relationship with God.”
I said, “Well, that’s because you never talk to me about it.” (Which is true.)
So last night, we talked. And talked and talked and talked. It was exhausting. But I learned so much about him, and I am so grateful for that that, even as I type this, I am starting to get teary-eyed.
He does want to be the spiritual head of our household. He has just been holding back because he is afraid of the conflict it would cause between us. But our boys are still so young. I think we both realize that, at this point, it’s not about trying to convince them to accept one brand of Christianity over another, but simply about loving them and teaching them what the Bible says and setting a good example for them of how to follow Jesus.
I thought my husband never prayed. Turns out, he prays at least as much as I do, and sometimes probably more. But as he noted, “I just don’t advertise it.” Well, okay. But he’s been known to hide his light under a bushel, from my perspective; I guess because he’s such a private, reserved person. I can understand his reluctance to share with strangers, but my being his wife and all….well, it would be nice if he would talk to me about things more. So I told him that.
We talked a lot about Catholicism. Perhaps in part because he has a mathematician’s mind, Brian requires excellent proof before he accepts things to be true. He’s very analytical. He’ll spot inaccurate comments made on television commercials (such as the recent, “Most car accidents happen on Friday afternoons between 3 and 6 p.m.”—something like that). I hear stuff like that and don’t give it a second thought; his sharp mind immediately zeros in on the improbability of such a statement, and we have a good laugh. (Because really, who actually believes that more than 50% of all car accidents happen on Friday afternoons?!)
Anyway. He explained to me that he has seen no concrete evidence to prove that the Catholic church has the authority that it claims to have. Even though Jesus gave certain authority to Peter and certain special abilities to the apostles (healing, speaking in tongues, etc.), we no longer find priests or pastors doing those things on a regular basis. How does the “laying on of hands” business guarantee that the exact authority given to Peter is the same authority given to these others who come into high positions in the Church?
Furthermore, he feels that the Church takes some nice things that were already there (the Bible, some early writings) and keeps adding and adding and adding to them, making its newly defined doctrines/dogma binding upon all the faithful—”You must believe this, or you’re not really a Christian.” The best example of this would be the various Marian doctrines. In spite of the many analogies—Mary as The New Eve, Mary as The Ark of the New Covenant—Brian feels there is no way that we can know for an absolute fact that Mary was immaculately conceived or that she was assumed into heaven. These are theories on something that is undecidable. Mary could just as well have been a simple, humble-yet-imperfect woman whom God chose to be Jesus’ mother. God is God, He can do things however He wants. Why does the Church always have to insist it has the answer for everything?
And most of all, it grieves my husband deeply that the Catholic church does not intercommune with other Christians. One may not receive the Eucharist unless one is Catholic. One may not profess to be Catholic unless one believes all of the various “binding on the faithful” doctrines that have been put forth. And even those who are Catholic may not receive Communion unless they meets all the “criteria.” Brian feels that Jesus’s beautiful gift of self is being used as a political tool.
Even though I myself don’t have a problem with Church authority, I absolutely see where he is coming from. I don’t know how to reconcile all these things. Is there a way to prove that the current pope has all the exact authority that Jesus gave to Peter? Why does the Church insist on hyper-defining things that might be better left as Mystery? Does it truly matter to our Lord if a person receives His Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity in the Eucharist without believing every single thing the Church teaches? (There are certainly huge numbers of Catholics who aren’t faithful to those teachings—witness the something like 90% of Catholics who think it’s okay to use artificial contraception. But what about non-moral issues, such as the Marian doctrines?)
I cannot answer these questions for myself, let alone for my husband.
All I do know is that, for me, in the end, it came down to a question of unity. If we Christians are supposed to be the Mystical Body of Christ and the Bride of Heaven, then hadn’t we better be together, as one visible body of believers? It has never—ever—made sense to me that there are all these different churches. That there are thousands upon thousands of different denominations, all claiming to know what’s right and splitting up if not everyone agrees. Unity among Christians is never going to happen if we all of us stay in our separate little churches and refuse to cooperate, compromise, and accept each other.
We all know that the Roman Catholic church screwed up big-time in the past. But it is still the Catholic church. It’s the biggest and has the most influence over the most people. I am firmly convinced that if Christians are ever to have that unity we so desperately need, the Catholic church is going to have to be at the helm, with the grace of God and the love and prayers of many finally making it happen.
Will it happen? Probably not in our lifetime. I just came to a place in my own life where I knew that if I was going to be a Christian, I was going to have to become a Catholic or forgo church attendance altogether. I’ve done that whole “Jesus and me” thing, and I have to say that, for me, at least, it was not terribly effective. We’re meant to be in community with each other—the Bible says that very clearly.
My husband is a Lutheran because he feels they “get things just about right.” He knows the Lutheran church is not perfect. But unless and until he feels God prompting him, unquestionably, to go elsewhere, that is where he is going to stay.
And I am proud of him for that. I truly am.
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Now I’m off to finish packing for our trip to St. Pete. Have a fantastic 4th of July, everyone! ![]()


Greg said,
July 9, 2008 at 11:53 am
Kimberly,
Interesting blog. I teach CCD (7th & 8th) and I am always trying to boil down and simplify what separates Catholics and Protestants. Here is my latest attempt:
All Christians make 2 bold claims.
The first bold claim is shared…
- We all claim that the Son of God was incarnated, died for our sins, rose from the dead, and will return.
For Catholics, the second bold claim is..
- This same Son of God, established a single visible church on the apostles and it did not fail.
For Protestants, the second bold claim is..
-This same Son of God, established a single visible church on the apostles and it failed.
To me the Protestant claim is more bold then the Catholic claim and it demands a higher standard of proof.
For examples, where is the Protestant examination of history detailing which authority asserted and imposed what heresy in what year? What was the reaction of the people to this? Was there controvery or war? For example, the Church eventually split over the “filioque” (look it up) which people today would consider trivial and it is insignificant compared to the current differences in doctrine. So again, it begs the question – where is the historical record of controvery related to Catholic “changes” of “true” doctrine.
Secondly, the Protestant vision is predicated on the existence of the New Testament which wasn’t officially closed (by Catholic bishops) until the late 300’s, and it is predicated on the idea of a literate population (19th century) with easy access to cheap Bibles (17th century). (Sola Scriptura)
Thirdly, the earliest church precedes all New Testament scripture by decades. This was truly an Apostolic church that relied on the direct teaching of the Apostles. The protestant vision is completely impossible for this period.
Fourth, examine the teachings of the early Church Fathers – Ireneus, Polycarp, etc. They all present a vision of a church with bishops, priests, the sacraments, the mass, and the Eucharist as truly the body and blood of Christ. In short – a very Catholic Church – shared as a common vision – in the 200’s.
Finally, how could a Church with such a checkered history not be a failed institution? Only by a miracle – a miracle which protected its teaching from corruption, even while its members often fell spectacularly. In the words of Hillaire Belloc: “I love best of all, that Church, mudsplashed by history.”
mary said,
July 9, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Kimberly -
Wanted to check on your meme. My time is short right now, but I’ll eventually get to doing the meme on my blog. I’d also like to get back to answering the questions that you posed here. It is important enough to me that I e-mailed your post to myself in hopes that it will help me remember.
I’m very fortunate in this area in that a gentleman in our parish conducts adult enrichment classes that handle doctrinal matters. He is a genius and his knowledge is amazing.
I’m so anxious to share the wealth he has doled out, but really can’t right now - yet I can’t leave w/o saying that the Church’s doctrine isn’t a matter of new ideas; rather, it is a formalization of what has been traditionally held. An example that is fresh in my mind because of a post that I did on the first church dedicated to the Sacred Heart of Jesus is the doctrine on the Sacred Heart.
Most people would think that doctrine only came about because of St. Margaret Mary. The reality is that evidence of a dedication to the Sacred Heart of Jesus can be seen even in the catacombs. I personally, can see the fact that the gospel mention of the Apostle John resting his head on Christ’s chest as a possible nod to that devotion - nothing is wasted in the gospels in that so much more could have been written of Christ’s ministry. Anyway, other saints spoke of devotion to the Sacred Heart many centuries before Church authority was needed to illuminate it. It became doctrine when promulgation of it was in great need - as is the case w/other formalized devotions.
I hope that you don’t mind how long winded that I’ve been. I also hope that I’ve been clear in my quicky snippet of an explanation by example. Peace. ~~~mary
The Diva said,
August 2, 2008 at 9:54 pm
This is such a tough issue. I am glad you have been able to reach across brands of Christianity and talk to your husband about his spirituality. My personal belief is (I am Catholic.) I guess you can get to heaven any way you want to, just don’t try to change the way I’m getting there.
I hope that makes sense to everyone. Thank you for bringing this up. You are a very talented writer.
~The Diva
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